I'm becoming more convinced that they themselves are the MK-victims - notice the continuous psychological projection in their comments (accusing others of doing/being what they do/are themselves). Also, as I pointed out in a previous comment, they do know a lot of the jargon used in Monarch MK programming. You have to really know your st…
I'm becoming more convinced that they themselves are the MK-victims - notice the continuous psychological projection in their comments (accusing others of doing/being what they do/are themselves). Also, as I pointed out in a previous comment, they do know a lot of the jargon used in Monarch MK programming. You have to really know your stuff (or have done a lot of research) to know that jargon.
Given they act in unison/collaboration, and given the multiple personality creation inherent in systematic MK, it would suggest they are all simply alters (personalities) within the same person. Meaning they are not three separate people.
It's not possible to get through to them, though, that's for sure, because they fundamentally choose not to listen. And from a certain point of view, they kind of go beyond mere 'trolling', and present themselves as something subtly different from the classic 'troll' persona.
I just ended up blocking them in the end, although 'Ram' seemed to be able to reply to me recently, so I'll have to check that...
That's an interesting psychological point about the second photo thing. He did seem to get hung up on that one, like a kind of trigger. Or maybe I was indeed misreading it as a trigger, rather than as you suggest it's simply something he had to hold on to. You are also correct I think about in this instance it probably is a cock up rather than conspiracy. A memory lapse, as it were. Which everyone has, even conspiratorial bad guys!
Your paragraph about these being concerning behaviours was excellent. And I am glad you said you can sort of agree (a little) with some of the things said by the likes of Marianna. The issue, naturally, is that she and all the other 'debunkers' or 'detractors' will take those sorts of people and hold them up as the template for all conspiracy theorists (they give the rest of us a bad name), when the truth is the really astute ones are nothing like that. And, yes, for those who lack the required critical thinking skills and/or sufficient knowledge (like if they've only recently encountered the subject of conspiracies) the Establishment have erected their honeypots and influencers, like Icke and Alex Jones and so on ('cognitive infiltration' etc.). And it's not surprising those types also infuse everything with an unhealthy dose of right-wing politics/ideas, meaning the unwary rabbit-hole-tumbling-downers can also be portrayed as fascists (many of them probably are, actually, or already were and now find an excuse for it).
And unfortunately for us, that tactic works very well for the Establishment, precisely because of the general public's ignorance of all this stuff.
So - yes - we're back to education again. I do think it's the key issue. Mind you, one would have to get into a position of (political) power first in order to enact that better education system. And that's not going to happen because, well, the people aren't sufficiently educated to vote for it! (then there's the vote rigging, and, and...)
Oh well... violent revolutionary uprising it'll have to be then. And that never ends well.
The other option is to wait 500 years for the New World Order phase of human history to implode itself, then reincarnate and, erm, build back better.
Yet you haven't got a sense of humour and that is why you are so triggered and desperately in denial over the fact your feeble intellect and damaged psyche- totally buggered up by STRONGMAN programming- is in such a mess when confronted by genuinely talent people.
The pair of you talking total crap here and PROJECTING all you insecurities, neurosis and perversity as a typical troll tactic was mentioned at the start of this by Ram and Serge-
you have just confirmed it all beyond doubt with this desperate mitigation attempt.
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Keep going EverLyin/FrancesCO, this has really resurrected you by the looks of it , a new obsession that you know is also your final Nemesis.
'Poisoning the well' - now that's a far more succinct way of explaining the whole thing that any of my convoluted ramblings! I shall be using that phrase from now on if that's ok with you.
Absolutely get what you're saying about programmed responses. Rothschild-criticism must be anti-semitic etc. - in fact, even that 'removing the hyphen' to make the oldspeak itself look 'anti-semitic' - it's got to that level of absurdity - although as someone who has studied linguistics I well understand not just how that works but that it does work. Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and all that.
When it comes to Icke, my initial thoughts (must've been in the 1990s) were that he was simply 'pretending' to be a loony for self-protection - if he can be seen by the general population as 'a harmless nutter' then there's no need for the Establishment to bump him off, as it were. But yes, since then it's somewhat obvious that he is a controlled opposition/operation, precisely to discredit 'the truth movement' by association. They did that one very well because it sort of just crept up. What really gives it away though is the obvious dissonance between 'loony' and 'rational', in the sense of 'able to speak and reason logically and present oneself as sane' whilst spouting nonsense. That doesn't compute, Captain.
I've come to apply that basic insight to others too and it works - if there is a logical/cognitive disconnect between the 'idea' and the 'level of critical thinking ability' then that's a bad guy (aka 'liar'). The idea being it's not possible for a genuinely decent person capable of critical thinking to entertain bad ideas. At least, not for any length of time anyhow. We may all make reasoning errors to begin with, but an intellectually honest person corrects those errors (not to mention tests them and seeks out new information to do so - proper scientific method, so to speak).
Let me know how your photography experiment goes. I myself have a little telescope so I can pretty much confirm the existence of round objects outside the atmosphere. The flat earth resurgence is the same kind of psyop as the Icke stuff. Similarly terrain theory.
I shall watch that video in due course. I would always at least cast a vote, though. I think those who tell people not to vote are part of the problem and I simply don't trust them. A true 'anarchist' would in fact cast a vote simply for bedevilment! Obviously they'd vote for any anti-Establishment candidate. One of the most important points here is that the more people vote, the more difficult it is to rig the election without being obvious, getting caught, and provoking the revolution.
Ironically, I hear (in the last few minutes) Sunak has just called a general election for American Independence Day. So I shall just have to hope that in my constituency there is an anti-Establishment option. Otherwise I'll just have to think of something witty to write on the ballot paper.
Certainly for local elections voting (for indies) can make a real difference. I think I'll have a look at that video now, timely enough...
One of the issues with viruses is simply the 'characteristics of living things'. When I was taught biology at school (40 years ago) I think there were 7 prerequisites. Now, however, there are various disputed versions of the 'definition of life'. Which kind of makes sense. So, when it comes to 'viruses' I am getting the impression that even though these organisms demonstrably exist (electron microscopes etc.), what the conspiracy theorists have seized on is the idea that they don't satisfy the necessary characteristics of living things - so then they say 'oh, in that case, they don't exist' - obvious logical fallacy.
So the scientific fact is that there is such a thing as a 'virus' - in the sense of a string of RNA or DNA, which can, naturally, affect another lifeform. There is no real scientific doubt about that. But - it's true that 'retroviruses' (e.g. HIV) do not cause any disease in humans and, in fact, may have a symbiotic relationship.
Humans have been living with these most ancient of organisms for their entire existence. The fact they predate humanity kind of proves they can't cause humans any problems, because of something called 'the immune system'.
There are 2 aspects to the human immune system - adaptive and innate. Adaptive deals with foreign pathogens, creating memory B-cells and thus 'immunity'. Innate simply removes toxins. The bad guys play on the fact that most people don't understand the difference between the two. So, you give someone AZT, or 'the anti-covid jab' and oh, look, you have lots of 'antibodies' - 'therefore it works' - when the truth is 'you have poisoned someone and provoked the innate immune system'. A 'vaccine' would provoke the adaptive, not the innate.
So we're back to education again - teach people proper biology, none of this stuff becomes an issue anymore, and no one would ever get themselves injected with what these evil people have falsely called 'vaccines'.
Infecting someone with cowpox to create cross-resistance to smallpox - yes, that's a vaccine. Poisoning someone with a spike protein which the body doesn't recognise as a foreign pathogen thus not triggering the adaptive immune system to create lasting immunity via memory B-cells - no, that's called poisoning someone.
Oh I do love having knowledge about proper science stuff, don't you?!
ProLie Team Chronic Moronic are off their tits on medication again, talking about muting people they have already blocked ! Instead Chronic Moronic team have been stalking Nushi's posts like they do ours !
The hypocrisy from Team Chronic Moronic is glaring, often hilarious & now expected. Inconsistency is their forte after pet feltching and getting fisted for fun.
How pathetic can they get- let us see-
tROT ON Prolapse Pet Feltchers, may you get lockjaw & choke.
I don't think I can find anything to disagree with you about in your comment. Not that I was trying to find any source of disagreement.
I especially like what you say about education. I (or Katrina, rather) was going to be writing about this on my Substack in the coming months. In her parallel utopia all these skills are of course on the national curriculum - meaning the preservation of proper democracy in which the social decision-makers are all benevolent, because a clued-up people simply wouldn't fall for propaganda and lies, and never vote for bad guys. Bad guys simply can't survive in a world like that. It's kind of obvious, of course. As is the converse, where they deliberately deny people these skills. Also on her national curriculum are subjects like philosophy and psychology.
For me, I'm not entirely sure I got these sorts of skills just from studying philosophy (at university), although it certainly helped. Because I was probably already a fairly logical thinker. Learning chess at an early age also probably helped (every child should learn chess - it's probably why the KGB won the espionage bit of the cold war, lol). Aside from the obvious logical thinking, you have to combine visual processing with a sort of probability tree diagram, a series of if-then statements. And then retrace your steps (whilst holding all those images in your mind). Likewise you are thinking in terms of game theory, about the strategic thinking of the other person.
Also at university I started doing Tarot, which is essentially just pattern recognition combined with intuition combined with an ability to 'read' people. I found I was almost instantaneously excellent at it (to the point of scaring some people about the accuracy of the readings). And I know I learned to read people from a very young age simply out of survival necessity (that's what child abuse will do - so from a perverse point of view I'm almost grateful for that positive - plus an experienced knowledge of the fact that there are real monsters in the world, and those monsters have power and authority; well, 'almost' grateful - but I'd definitely rather know than not know - I could never be a blue pill person).
I would definitely read your book if you ever wrote it. I'll even offer contributions if you like.
I'll do a second reply, to avoid a single long one.
Fortunately I don't have much to add to your excellent comment. I say fortunately because it's late, and I have some blocking of one of their new accounts I haven't encountered before to do. The blue sky maiden one. I suspect we are going to be playing whack-a-mole from now on.
Weeds. And constant gardening...
We should maybe sideswipe them by continuing our conversation in a different place...
Yes - the Springmeier doc was the one I was thinking of. Whilst I am sceptical about some of it, there's more than enough kernel of truth kind of thing to make at least the programming side of things a realistic possibility. It would, however, be much, much harder to do than the impression created in the document (plus it wouldn't be as ridiculously complex as they make out).
Anyway - yes, I also got the impression that TH is the superior one, kind of like the overseer or mentor or something. The other two come across as so very childlike sometimes (hence part of my suspicion about MK). And they do seem to defer in that sense. Likewise the possible inferiority complex, which I would also agree with. I think you are correct there.
Perhaps one of the best of your insights (amongst many!) was the desire to establish reality, but not having the skills to do it. So they take some weird mishmash of stuff they may have read or picked up on and turn it into a belief/system, and then of course have to resist any challenges to it, and overcome any internal (or external) inconsistencies or illogic. They do get quite angry when challenged ('triggers'), and won't answer direct questions, like I said.
And yes, it is tragic. I do think the intensive bombardment of everyone (including 'conspiracy theorists' as well as anyone who just wants to know what's going on) with cognitive dissonance has become a significantly increasing tactic, and relatively recently too (despite the high-speed internet having been around for quite some time now). I also think this 'false events' narrative has a lot to do with it, and it's interesting how that specifically targets critical thinkers, so to speak. It's quite worrying, actually.
Perhaps we could see the three stooges (or however many there really are - I think you may be right about three) as victims of that.
There is no point to your existence anymore here (or anywhere!😂) is there.
You lost quite spectacularly before, including the purging of 6 weeks of your feeble work, for being a criminal stalker. then you returned & instantly made an embarrassment of yourself, had several public mental breakdowns, had to go on holiday and then became almost inarticulate with anal exasperation and rage. Now you are dedicated to doing the same thing for 17 more months you boast, while bouncing about on your laptop & leaking all over your lunch.
What a masochistically pathetic, miserable no-life piece of excrement you are, sloshing about in your own sewer of LIMBO hell.
And why do you imagine we would even consider carrying on with you for even one more comment ?
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tROT ON some more for everyone's amusement here. I notice only EverLyin has bothered supporting you a few times out of your 1,000+ comments , no one else gives a shit because you've saturation this place in so much of it already.
ProLie you are in some nightmare thinking it is still a dream.
You are so lost that you can now never return.
How many team members have you lost since this began. How many holidays have you had to take in last few weeks? The insults you use have no substance while you have less substance by the hour. Was it really worth it ? Why are you not baiting HIBBERT instead of people who tried to originally help the worthless sell out RDHall, is it because you are really working for HIBBERT all along?
I saw The Ipcress File it must've been at least 20-30 years ago now, but I really did enjoy it. Possibly time to re-watch it now you reminded me of it. Interesting that came out (like the Prisoner) during the classic MK-Ultra time. I would imagine that's a very different type of mind control to the Monarch idea of starting with very young children and inducing MPD. I can certainly accept the idea that specifically selected children (e.g. offspring of the controllers) are subjected to (possibly simulated, with modern technology) trauma for a short period (say, 6-18 months) in order to induce a few dozen alters (or 33, perhaps), each of which is then very carefully given specific talents, so to speak. I think that's certainly feasible as well as psychologically realistic (there's a lot of this in my Katrina story, for fear of spoilers).
The older the subject/victim, though, the more difficult it is to get them to dissociate. So instead, as you suggest, with adults they'd go for the induced PTSD option. Psychic driving and learned helplessness etc.
My theory about how to do it on a collective population is to realise that each member of the population is still an individual and perceives things as an individual (especially following a neoliberal atomisation of society inducing helplessness). Because it's the same specific trauma, however, the required 'reinforcement' (on the neuronal level) simply comes from each individual in the group observing each other and even just talking with each other. But they all respond in the same way, so it only 'looks' like 'mass' brainwashing. Plus of course humans are social creatures, so they need to feel part of a group, and that applies equally to sharing the same opinions and feelings.
I also think that's a good insight about the alt media. It follows on from the cognitive infiltration strategy. Given that the genuine 'resistance' is going to come from alternative types (who display more critical thinking and may even be more psychologically robust), it's clear that group needs to be specially targeted. So they establish alt media sites and fake 'conspiracy theorist' influencers and spread 'harmful misinformation' (lol). Which is why a lot of the alt has become disturbingly fascist. It's one of the things I admire about Iain tbh - he's clearly rejected that stuff. In fact, that may be one method of distinguishing a genuine person from a spook - a genuine would not sow discord and right-wing stuff.
So I think you may be right about the blubby bee in the bonnet - this is one of the real problems now - not immediately knowing which ones to trust until after having listened to them for a while. I myself have not been immune to thinking someone was worth listening to to begin with, and it took me a fair while to understand/realise all of this. Probably because I started thinking about all these things before the cognitive infiltration really got going, so this problem didn't really exist then. And it must be virtually impossible for 'new arrivals' to have even the slightest clue what or who to believe. To call it a minefield is an understatement.
Maybe that's another requirement - a list of bona fides.
So yes, I do think this is a targeted and systematic operation. I certainly haven't watched any mainstream 'news' for at least more than a decade now, or any TV for that matter. The most I'll do is watch a movie online at entirely my own discretion. Similarly I haven't really watched any alt media stuff either. It is quite amazing and how refreshing/clean one's mind can be by only choosing to read stuff instead of watch. Then there's the period of respites which greatly help...
ProLie- it was mentioned that pt2 would be the following week. Yet again you show what a compulsive liar and feeble baiter you are.
As for copy & paste games- you have proven to be the most fanatical practitioner of that. So either shut up, fuck off, or get a grip- oh, sorry, I forgot ; it's TOO LATE for any of that. You are set in your desperate channel of self destruction, and nothing can prevent it from occurring now.
tROT ON, inside & out, as is your compulsion & only respite.
I'm becoming more convinced that they themselves are the MK-victims - notice the continuous psychological projection in their comments (accusing others of doing/being what they do/are themselves). Also, as I pointed out in a previous comment, they do know a lot of the jargon used in Monarch MK programming. You have to really know your stuff (or have done a lot of research) to know that jargon.
Given they act in unison/collaboration, and given the multiple personality creation inherent in systematic MK, it would suggest they are all simply alters (personalities) within the same person. Meaning they are not three separate people.
It's not possible to get through to them, though, that's for sure, because they fundamentally choose not to listen. And from a certain point of view, they kind of go beyond mere 'trolling', and present themselves as something subtly different from the classic 'troll' persona.
I just ended up blocking them in the end, although 'Ram' seemed to be able to reply to me recently, so I'll have to check that...
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uh-oh just picked up a junker
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That's an interesting psychological point about the second photo thing. He did seem to get hung up on that one, like a kind of trigger. Or maybe I was indeed misreading it as a trigger, rather than as you suggest it's simply something he had to hold on to. You are also correct I think about in this instance it probably is a cock up rather than conspiracy. A memory lapse, as it were. Which everyone has, even conspiratorial bad guys!
Your paragraph about these being concerning behaviours was excellent. And I am glad you said you can sort of agree (a little) with some of the things said by the likes of Marianna. The issue, naturally, is that she and all the other 'debunkers' or 'detractors' will take those sorts of people and hold them up as the template for all conspiracy theorists (they give the rest of us a bad name), when the truth is the really astute ones are nothing like that. And, yes, for those who lack the required critical thinking skills and/or sufficient knowledge (like if they've only recently encountered the subject of conspiracies) the Establishment have erected their honeypots and influencers, like Icke and Alex Jones and so on ('cognitive infiltration' etc.). And it's not surprising those types also infuse everything with an unhealthy dose of right-wing politics/ideas, meaning the unwary rabbit-hole-tumbling-downers can also be portrayed as fascists (many of them probably are, actually, or already were and now find an excuse for it).
And unfortunately for us, that tactic works very well for the Establishment, precisely because of the general public's ignorance of all this stuff.
So - yes - we're back to education again. I do think it's the key issue. Mind you, one would have to get into a position of (political) power first in order to enact that better education system. And that's not going to happen because, well, the people aren't sufficiently educated to vote for it! (then there's the vote rigging, and, and...)
Oh well... violent revolutionary uprising it'll have to be then. And that never ends well.
The other option is to wait 500 years for the New World Order phase of human history to implode itself, then reincarnate and, erm, build back better.
One has to retain a sense of humour I think...
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Yet you haven't got a sense of humour and that is why you are so triggered and desperately in denial over the fact your feeble intellect and damaged psyche- totally buggered up by STRONGMAN programming- is in such a mess when confronted by genuinely talent people.
The pair of you talking total crap here and PROJECTING all you insecurities, neurosis and perversity as a typical troll tactic was mentioned at the start of this by Ram and Serge-
you have just confirmed it all beyond doubt with this desperate mitigation attempt.
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Keep going EverLyin/FrancesCO, this has really resurrected you by the looks of it , a new obsession that you know is also your final Nemesis.
'Poisoning the well' - now that's a far more succinct way of explaining the whole thing that any of my convoluted ramblings! I shall be using that phrase from now on if that's ok with you.
Absolutely get what you're saying about programmed responses. Rothschild-criticism must be anti-semitic etc. - in fact, even that 'removing the hyphen' to make the oldspeak itself look 'anti-semitic' - it's got to that level of absurdity - although as someone who has studied linguistics I well understand not just how that works but that it does work. Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and all that.
When it comes to Icke, my initial thoughts (must've been in the 1990s) were that he was simply 'pretending' to be a loony for self-protection - if he can be seen by the general population as 'a harmless nutter' then there's no need for the Establishment to bump him off, as it were. But yes, since then it's somewhat obvious that he is a controlled opposition/operation, precisely to discredit 'the truth movement' by association. They did that one very well because it sort of just crept up. What really gives it away though is the obvious dissonance between 'loony' and 'rational', in the sense of 'able to speak and reason logically and present oneself as sane' whilst spouting nonsense. That doesn't compute, Captain.
I've come to apply that basic insight to others too and it works - if there is a logical/cognitive disconnect between the 'idea' and the 'level of critical thinking ability' then that's a bad guy (aka 'liar'). The idea being it's not possible for a genuinely decent person capable of critical thinking to entertain bad ideas. At least, not for any length of time anyhow. We may all make reasoning errors to begin with, but an intellectually honest person corrects those errors (not to mention tests them and seeks out new information to do so - proper scientific method, so to speak).
Let me know how your photography experiment goes. I myself have a little telescope so I can pretty much confirm the existence of round objects outside the atmosphere. The flat earth resurgence is the same kind of psyop as the Icke stuff. Similarly terrain theory.
I shall watch that video in due course. I would always at least cast a vote, though. I think those who tell people not to vote are part of the problem and I simply don't trust them. A true 'anarchist' would in fact cast a vote simply for bedevilment! Obviously they'd vote for any anti-Establishment candidate. One of the most important points here is that the more people vote, the more difficult it is to rig the election without being obvious, getting caught, and provoking the revolution.
Ironically, I hear (in the last few minutes) Sunak has just called a general election for American Independence Day. So I shall just have to hope that in my constituency there is an anti-Establishment option. Otherwise I'll just have to think of something witty to write on the ballot paper.
Certainly for local elections voting (for indies) can make a real difference. I think I'll have a look at that video now, timely enough...
One of the issues with viruses is simply the 'characteristics of living things'. When I was taught biology at school (40 years ago) I think there were 7 prerequisites. Now, however, there are various disputed versions of the 'definition of life'. Which kind of makes sense. So, when it comes to 'viruses' I am getting the impression that even though these organisms demonstrably exist (electron microscopes etc.), what the conspiracy theorists have seized on is the idea that they don't satisfy the necessary characteristics of living things - so then they say 'oh, in that case, they don't exist' - obvious logical fallacy.
So the scientific fact is that there is such a thing as a 'virus' - in the sense of a string of RNA or DNA, which can, naturally, affect another lifeform. There is no real scientific doubt about that. But - it's true that 'retroviruses' (e.g. HIV) do not cause any disease in humans and, in fact, may have a symbiotic relationship.
Humans have been living with these most ancient of organisms for their entire existence. The fact they predate humanity kind of proves they can't cause humans any problems, because of something called 'the immune system'.
There are 2 aspects to the human immune system - adaptive and innate. Adaptive deals with foreign pathogens, creating memory B-cells and thus 'immunity'. Innate simply removes toxins. The bad guys play on the fact that most people don't understand the difference between the two. So, you give someone AZT, or 'the anti-covid jab' and oh, look, you have lots of 'antibodies' - 'therefore it works' - when the truth is 'you have poisoned someone and provoked the innate immune system'. A 'vaccine' would provoke the adaptive, not the innate.
So we're back to education again - teach people proper biology, none of this stuff becomes an issue anymore, and no one would ever get themselves injected with what these evil people have falsely called 'vaccines'.
Infecting someone with cowpox to create cross-resistance to smallpox - yes, that's a vaccine. Poisoning someone with a spike protein which the body doesn't recognise as a foreign pathogen thus not triggering the adaptive immune system to create lasting immunity via memory B-cells - no, that's called poisoning someone.
Oh I do love having knowledge about proper science stuff, don't you?!
ProLie Team Chronic Moronic are off their tits on medication again, talking about muting people they have already blocked ! Instead Chronic Moronic team have been stalking Nushi's posts like they do ours !
The hypocrisy from Team Chronic Moronic is glaring, often hilarious & now expected. Inconsistency is their forte after pet feltching and getting fisted for fun.
How pathetic can they get- let us see-
tROT ON Prolapse Pet Feltchers, may you get lockjaw & choke.
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I don't think I can find anything to disagree with you about in your comment. Not that I was trying to find any source of disagreement.
I especially like what you say about education. I (or Katrina, rather) was going to be writing about this on my Substack in the coming months. In her parallel utopia all these skills are of course on the national curriculum - meaning the preservation of proper democracy in which the social decision-makers are all benevolent, because a clued-up people simply wouldn't fall for propaganda and lies, and never vote for bad guys. Bad guys simply can't survive in a world like that. It's kind of obvious, of course. As is the converse, where they deliberately deny people these skills. Also on her national curriculum are subjects like philosophy and psychology.
For me, I'm not entirely sure I got these sorts of skills just from studying philosophy (at university), although it certainly helped. Because I was probably already a fairly logical thinker. Learning chess at an early age also probably helped (every child should learn chess - it's probably why the KGB won the espionage bit of the cold war, lol). Aside from the obvious logical thinking, you have to combine visual processing with a sort of probability tree diagram, a series of if-then statements. And then retrace your steps (whilst holding all those images in your mind). Likewise you are thinking in terms of game theory, about the strategic thinking of the other person.
Also at university I started doing Tarot, which is essentially just pattern recognition combined with intuition combined with an ability to 'read' people. I found I was almost instantaneously excellent at it (to the point of scaring some people about the accuracy of the readings). And I know I learned to read people from a very young age simply out of survival necessity (that's what child abuse will do - so from a perverse point of view I'm almost grateful for that positive - plus an experienced knowledge of the fact that there are real monsters in the world, and those monsters have power and authority; well, 'almost' grateful - but I'd definitely rather know than not know - I could never be a blue pill person).
I would definitely read your book if you ever wrote it. I'll even offer contributions if you like.
I'll do a second reply, to avoid a single long one.
Fortunately I don't have much to add to your excellent comment. I say fortunately because it's late, and I have some blocking of one of their new accounts I haven't encountered before to do. The blue sky maiden one. I suspect we are going to be playing whack-a-mole from now on.
Weeds. And constant gardening...
We should maybe sideswipe them by continuing our conversation in a different place...
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Yes - the Springmeier doc was the one I was thinking of. Whilst I am sceptical about some of it, there's more than enough kernel of truth kind of thing to make at least the programming side of things a realistic possibility. It would, however, be much, much harder to do than the impression created in the document (plus it wouldn't be as ridiculously complex as they make out).
Anyway - yes, I also got the impression that TH is the superior one, kind of like the overseer or mentor or something. The other two come across as so very childlike sometimes (hence part of my suspicion about MK). And they do seem to defer in that sense. Likewise the possible inferiority complex, which I would also agree with. I think you are correct there.
Perhaps one of the best of your insights (amongst many!) was the desire to establish reality, but not having the skills to do it. So they take some weird mishmash of stuff they may have read or picked up on and turn it into a belief/system, and then of course have to resist any challenges to it, and overcome any internal (or external) inconsistencies or illogic. They do get quite angry when challenged ('triggers'), and won't answer direct questions, like I said.
And yes, it is tragic. I do think the intensive bombardment of everyone (including 'conspiracy theorists' as well as anyone who just wants to know what's going on) with cognitive dissonance has become a significantly increasing tactic, and relatively recently too (despite the high-speed internet having been around for quite some time now). I also think this 'false events' narrative has a lot to do with it, and it's interesting how that specifically targets critical thinkers, so to speak. It's quite worrying, actually.
Perhaps we could see the three stooges (or however many there really are - I think you may be right about three) as victims of that.
[I'll read your other reply now]
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Whatever Karen.
And that is the best you can do ProLie?
Pathetic as usual.
There is no point to your existence anymore here (or anywhere!😂) is there.
You lost quite spectacularly before, including the purging of 6 weeks of your feeble work, for being a criminal stalker. then you returned & instantly made an embarrassment of yourself, had several public mental breakdowns, had to go on holiday and then became almost inarticulate with anal exasperation and rage. Now you are dedicated to doing the same thing for 17 more months you boast, while bouncing about on your laptop & leaking all over your lunch.
What a masochistically pathetic, miserable no-life piece of excrement you are, sloshing about in your own sewer of LIMBO hell.
And why do you imagine we would even consider carrying on with you for even one more comment ?
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tROT ON some more for everyone's amusement here. I notice only EverLyin has bothered supporting you a few times out of your 1,000+ comments , no one else gives a shit because you've saturation this place in so much of it already.
ProLie you are in some nightmare thinking it is still a dream.
You are so lost that you can now never return.
How many team members have you lost since this began. How many holidays have you had to take in last few weeks? The insults you use have no substance while you have less substance by the hour. Was it really worth it ? Why are you not baiting HIBBERT instead of people who tried to originally help the worthless sell out RDHall, is it because you are really working for HIBBERT all along?
tROT ON inside & out,
this is you only love & reason to live now.
I saw The Ipcress File it must've been at least 20-30 years ago now, but I really did enjoy it. Possibly time to re-watch it now you reminded me of it. Interesting that came out (like the Prisoner) during the classic MK-Ultra time. I would imagine that's a very different type of mind control to the Monarch idea of starting with very young children and inducing MPD. I can certainly accept the idea that specifically selected children (e.g. offspring of the controllers) are subjected to (possibly simulated, with modern technology) trauma for a short period (say, 6-18 months) in order to induce a few dozen alters (or 33, perhaps), each of which is then very carefully given specific talents, so to speak. I think that's certainly feasible as well as psychologically realistic (there's a lot of this in my Katrina story, for fear of spoilers).
The older the subject/victim, though, the more difficult it is to get them to dissociate. So instead, as you suggest, with adults they'd go for the induced PTSD option. Psychic driving and learned helplessness etc.
My theory about how to do it on a collective population is to realise that each member of the population is still an individual and perceives things as an individual (especially following a neoliberal atomisation of society inducing helplessness). Because it's the same specific trauma, however, the required 'reinforcement' (on the neuronal level) simply comes from each individual in the group observing each other and even just talking with each other. But they all respond in the same way, so it only 'looks' like 'mass' brainwashing. Plus of course humans are social creatures, so they need to feel part of a group, and that applies equally to sharing the same opinions and feelings.
I also think that's a good insight about the alt media. It follows on from the cognitive infiltration strategy. Given that the genuine 'resistance' is going to come from alternative types (who display more critical thinking and may even be more psychologically robust), it's clear that group needs to be specially targeted. So they establish alt media sites and fake 'conspiracy theorist' influencers and spread 'harmful misinformation' (lol). Which is why a lot of the alt has become disturbingly fascist. It's one of the things I admire about Iain tbh - he's clearly rejected that stuff. In fact, that may be one method of distinguishing a genuine person from a spook - a genuine would not sow discord and right-wing stuff.
So I think you may be right about the blubby bee in the bonnet - this is one of the real problems now - not immediately knowing which ones to trust until after having listened to them for a while. I myself have not been immune to thinking someone was worth listening to to begin with, and it took me a fair while to understand/realise all of this. Probably because I started thinking about all these things before the cognitive infiltration really got going, so this problem didn't really exist then. And it must be virtually impossible for 'new arrivals' to have even the slightest clue what or who to believe. To call it a minefield is an understatement.
Maybe that's another requirement - a list of bona fides.
So yes, I do think this is a targeted and systematic operation. I certainly haven't watched any mainstream 'news' for at least more than a decade now, or any TV for that matter. The most I'll do is watch a movie online at entirely my own discretion. Similarly I haven't really watched any alt media stuff either. It is quite amazing and how refreshing/clean one's mind can be by only choosing to read stuff instead of watch. Then there's the period of respites which greatly help...
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ProLie- it was mentioned that pt2 would be the following week. Yet again you show what a compulsive liar and feeble baiter you are.
As for copy & paste games- you have proven to be the most fanatical practitioner of that. So either shut up, fuck off, or get a grip- oh, sorry, I forgot ; it's TOO LATE for any of that. You are set in your desperate channel of self destruction, and nothing can prevent it from occurring now.
tROT ON, inside & out, as is your compulsion & only respite.