The former UK Home Secretary, Suella Braverman MP, claimed that chants calling for a free Palestine "from the river to the sea" showed that the large pro-Palestinian marches in London---sparked by Israel's bombardment of Gaza---were "hate marches." Largely as a result, but also for domestic political reasons, Braverman was ousted (“resigned”) from her cabinet position.
Iain, I am so disappointed in this article. It is impossible to understand "the conflict" until you study the documented history of the Jewish land and the history of Mohammed.
"Islamic Jew-hatred began with Mohammed and has continued to this day. It is not the result of economics, foreign policy, the formation of the modern state of Israel, or anything else except the refusal of Jews to accept that he was their prophet.
After this rejection, Mohammed then claimed the Jews had corrupted their scriptures to hide the prophecy that Islam is the true religion and he was the last in the line of Hebrew prophets. All of their historical trials were punishment by Allah for this perceived treachery He turned against them and sought to annihilate or enslave them.
Since Mohammed is seen as the perfect model to imitate, the Islamic political doctrine has had a tradition of fierce Jew-hatred ever since. " CSPII
Hamas IS committed to the obliteration of Israel: they have said so themselves repeatedly. But this seems to be completely incomprehensible to those who believe in "the basic goodness of people".
I understand Lynda. Theology and religion are not my strong points and I recognise the animosity between religious factions that is not explored in this article. However, may I suggest to you that exponents of realpolitik often exploit religion fro geopolitical or political advantage, which is the subject of the piece. I do draw a distinction between religious and political Zionism and I think that clarification can be made.
I think the same can be said for Islam. While Hamas is an Islamist Fundamentalist organisation if we read their policy documents they are also an overtly political organisation. Similarly, if we look at Saudi Arabia it could be argued that Wahhabism remains a significant component of Saudi religious life, perhaps even a threat to the state itself, but at the same time, the Saudi state is very much engaged in hard nosed geopolitics.
So I concede that I have not explored the basic religious roots of animosity between the Islamists and the Zionists but I maintain that Hamas, as a political organisation, has repeatedly indicated it's willingness to accept a two-state solution, which would not necessitate the complete obliteration of Israel.
Both sides have religious nuts, and the God of the Old Testament (and the Jews) was genocidal, but I'm no more going to use that than you should use Mohammed.
Metallica's "Am I evil? I am Man," is more relevant. What is the history within our grasp, and especially what is our present, and what is our intention for our future. How do we escape being Evil Man?
It's surely not using weapons to be 'superior', to imprison and kill the 'inferior'. The simple moral test is if the aggressor would be happy to be the person receiving the aggression. Would any Israeli want to live in Rafah this moment, as the Israeli ground invasion war machine starts to grunt? To be told that the actions of the few, no matter right or wrong, justified your child having its leg amputated without anesthetic, your house destroyed, the death of your family plotted.
So sorry Iain, not agreeing with you on this one. Many holes in your argument. Not forgetting that it is the very same Imperialist colonialist dream that is responsible for this war from its onset. The British establishment. The Perfidious Albion to be exact.
"alluded to the obliteration of Israel". So sorry Iain, it was clearly stated in writing in its covenant not indirectly referenced to or inferred. Please look up the meaning of a covenant.
The claim it wasn't adopted is quite laughable when one looks at actions taken by HAMAS against all, not just Jewish people, but includes Christians and non-believers in the Islamic faith . Kidnapping people is not friendly either. They use it for extortion. It is a brutal act on its own.
"Nevertheless, as we have seen in Northern Ireland, South Africa and elsewhere, just because an organisation can be legitimately described as "supporting terrorism" that does not mean it cannot turn away from violence."
The situation South Africa cannot be compared to this and nor can Ireland. I add Rhodesia to this.
As a matter of fact the situation in South Africa has not changed and the minority of whites are still being attacked by the ANC (Marxist communist terrorists) from all sides. They have not relinquished violence, its just disguised under various veils. Here it is known as BBBEE and is a disguise for racism. They are using Legal Plunder. The Afrikaner in particular are being attacked, their history, culture is deliberately being destroyed as is their identity. It is retribution. Whites were lumped together as supporters of "Apartheid" a relabelling exercise by Marxists to ostracise a race. The Zionists origination is Lithuania.
Zionists are nothing more than neo-liberal communist Marxists simply put.
Thanks Jack. I actually cited the precise quotation from the covenant---and linked directly to it---that specifically threatens the obliteration of Israel. I have also cited some of the many statements from Hamas officials threatening the same.
I have also pointed out the violence of Hamas, its crimes against many people and in no way am I suggesting Hamas is an organisation worthy of anyone's respect. I am also aware of the ongoing violence against Afrikaners in SA.
However, as I also hope I've shown in the article Hamas officials have repeatedly said the coveneant is not an "absolute." I have cited some of the many Hamas statements and signed agreements that offer the potential of a two state solution.
May I suggest to you Jack that you can't insist the covenant is the start and the end of Hamas political objectives with regard to Israel if they have signed such documents as the 2002 Beirut Summit "normalisation" agreement that is based upon a two state solution.
Quite obviously this does not envisage the obliteration of Israel. It is contrary to the covenant and Hamas have acted with disregard to the obliteration aspect in the covenant on many occasions. Just as they have also threatened obliteration many times.
The whole point of the piece is to highlight that this raises the prospect of a negotiated settlement. The view that the covenant is the only political statement Hamas has ever made and that it is wedded exclusively to it is wrong in my view.
Davis, I like you don't believe everything that is stated or put out in the news.
Arafat & PLO was as evil as Hamas creation. The Islamist Jihadists were created to terrorise individual groups and nations.
Islam is anti all other religions and it is a curse. They the Hamassholes are jihadist Islamist gang mob of fanatics period. They have had many opportunities to make peace with the Israelis and have not.
Sadly this reads like a grad-school essay—well written, lots of research and citations, but completely disconnected from real world experience or wisdom. You can’t argue a point from negation: just because you didn’t find definitive proof that your thesis is wrong doesn’t mean that it’s right.
Thanks Dave and Dianna, I appreciate the encouragement.
Global Research have published a number of my pieces and I know they are aware of my work. But no I don't usually offer each piece to them specifically. It would help me immensely if others did, so please feel free.
Zionism and the establishment of the state of Israel has always been a political, UK empire project. The designation of it as a religious state is insincere but has proved politically useful for decades. Manipulate well intentioned American evangelicals and the political support for the billions sent is assured. Military and corporate prescence in the belly of the world is strategic and excusable. That the Jewish populations and their leaders, political or religious, allow themselves to be used in this way by the Anglo empire builder cabal should be sobering to the idealists of the world.
We live in a realpolitik world all the way down baby.
I was listening to his Scott Horton's show before I came here, and was going to mention it in my newsletter. I noted that his guest said that the USA's $238bn weapon sales was bigger than their $175bn agriculture product exports last year. They're supplying arms to 75% of the world’s dictators, and 10 of the 12 countries that have the death penalty for gay people. Ultimately, these wars are about profit. That made me think that human conflict is just marketing.
Maybe there are powers within the US who use it as a war machine. Those powers might have given technology and manufacturing to countries in the eastern part of the globe as part of a shift of their power hub. Israel would be strategically important as data is the new oil.
Well, there's gas fields off coast of Gaza and BP had already been in negotiations with Israel years before, excluding Palestinians, of course. Every war is a bankster/investor war; pirates are still here! Prof Chossudoski's stack has more detail on this.
Just watched a bit of BBC news this Sunday morning, talk on more overnight bombing in Yemen, being prepared for greater conflict, more arms, more recruits with possibility of conscription. They are sowing seeds for WW3.
I'm interested in how long Saudi Arabia will sit on the side of no opinion, and what Russia will do to take advantage. Iran will continue to be oblique. It's country knows what its like to lose a million people, so they will not directly poke. All the main players will be thinking of how to use this to undermine the West's 'moral' order.
My interest in geopolitics has transpired out of the plandemic, learning about history of allopathic medicine, Rockefeller, oil, etc. All the wheeling, dealing, renaging. Let's face it, the west is immoral.
Exactly. The Divide and Rule mobsters hide their intentions behind all sorts of deflections. Iain himself credits the creation of Hamas by the West and aren't they know they also funded by Israel?
Israel cares so much for the Jews that they coerced their population to get the Pfizer clot shots and bragged that they gave the medical data to Pfizer.
I'm amazed that Israeli citizens still support the government that sold out their health and privacy.
Sectarian violence triggered by theological fanaticism is a surefire ploy used by Empires for thousands of years. The Palestine/Israeli slaughter is the latest iteration of ruling elite diabolism.
Best of luck to Iain and this spiritual leftist attempted noble savage/it's "the Zionists"/Israel/the west trope. Unfortunately for him that narrative/assertion is predated and completely debunked by Islam and its "mostly peaceful" "Prophet" by millennia explicitly advocating and carrying out mass murder of Jews and non Jews alike. Islamic texts are explicit, hence Islamic actions were but who needs to acknowledge those facts. Roger Waters types won't ever reach the conclusion that Islam just might be a bit "iffy". No, it is the evil imperial west/"Zionists"/Israel. Islamic imperialism, meh who cares. Islam and Muslims dindu nuffin bruv. 2+2=5. Because reasons.
Iain, I appreciate your Hamas article (and your substack in general), so I'm hoping you find my links complimentary and not marketing, with the caveat that I'm less diplomatic and university-ish than you. I especially want to highlight the legal argument of "hearing the other side" which requires us to know more about who 'we're' killing in the Middle East.
Very well researched as usual and the only part I would question is the concept of ... regardless of self defence... the morality of right and wrong... et al. Resistance, all resistance in the context of fighting violent oppression and subjugation throughout history has carried the moral burden for actions carried out in the name of those enslaved. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist as the dualistic tenet always reiterates.
As long as this is not resolved, then never shall the twains will meet. All historical complexities can never reveal the whole truth because there are very few who can walk in the shoes of those who are demonised and rebuked for breathing the air allotted by any State that believes God is on their side. This has always been true as long as a monopoly of truth is coveted, but it is the oppressed and relinquished who garner the logic of self-defence.
If the Nazis had occupied the UK would we as people who vilify Nazi horrors be questioning attacks on military targets or would we admonish these infiltrations as terrorist gangs who don't know how good they really have it? The fact is no matter how abhorrent violence is it is still a state of war. Must we decry the 12000 French civilian deaths during the D day landings which De Gaulle was only too aware of prior to this event? In the name of humanity of course we must but the alternative is even worse.
At the moment Hamas is the only credible resistance to the occupation while Zionism is the dominant force propped up by lobbies all around the world with collaborators for genocide writing out the cheques.
Iain, I am so disappointed in this article. It is impossible to understand "the conflict" until you study the documented history of the Jewish land and the history of Mohammed.
"Islamic Jew-hatred began with Mohammed and has continued to this day. It is not the result of economics, foreign policy, the formation of the modern state of Israel, or anything else except the refusal of Jews to accept that he was their prophet.
After this rejection, Mohammed then claimed the Jews had corrupted their scriptures to hide the prophecy that Islam is the true religion and he was the last in the line of Hebrew prophets. All of their historical trials were punishment by Allah for this perceived treachery He turned against them and sought to annihilate or enslave them.
Since Mohammed is seen as the perfect model to imitate, the Islamic political doctrine has had a tradition of fierce Jew-hatred ever since. " CSPII
Hamas IS committed to the obliteration of Israel: they have said so themselves repeatedly. But this seems to be completely incomprehensible to those who believe in "the basic goodness of people".
I understand Lynda. Theology and religion are not my strong points and I recognise the animosity between religious factions that is not explored in this article. However, may I suggest to you that exponents of realpolitik often exploit religion fro geopolitical or political advantage, which is the subject of the piece. I do draw a distinction between religious and political Zionism and I think that clarification can be made.
I think the same can be said for Islam. While Hamas is an Islamist Fundamentalist organisation if we read their policy documents they are also an overtly political organisation. Similarly, if we look at Saudi Arabia it could be argued that Wahhabism remains a significant component of Saudi religious life, perhaps even a threat to the state itself, but at the same time, the Saudi state is very much engaged in hard nosed geopolitics.
So I concede that I have not explored the basic religious roots of animosity between the Islamists and the Zionists but I maintain that Hamas, as a political organisation, has repeatedly indicated it's willingness to accept a two-state solution, which would not necessitate the complete obliteration of Israel.
Both sides have religious nuts, and the God of the Old Testament (and the Jews) was genocidal, but I'm no more going to use that than you should use Mohammed.
Metallica's "Am I evil? I am Man," is more relevant. What is the history within our grasp, and especially what is our present, and what is our intention for our future. How do we escape being Evil Man?
It's surely not using weapons to be 'superior', to imprison and kill the 'inferior'. The simple moral test is if the aggressor would be happy to be the person receiving the aggression. Would any Israeli want to live in Rafah this moment, as the Israeli ground invasion war machine starts to grunt? To be told that the actions of the few, no matter right or wrong, justified your child having its leg amputated without anesthetic, your house destroyed, the death of your family plotted.
No Lynda, it is "Zionists"/The west/Israel who created Islam/Muhammad as some false flag. Muslims are noble savages.
I don’t know whether to waste my time replying to such nonsense or to just laugh and leave you to your fancies. I’ll leave you to your fancies
So sorry Iain, not agreeing with you on this one. Many holes in your argument. Not forgetting that it is the very same Imperialist colonialist dream that is responsible for this war from its onset. The British establishment. The Perfidious Albion to be exact.
"alluded to the obliteration of Israel". So sorry Iain, it was clearly stated in writing in its covenant not indirectly referenced to or inferred. Please look up the meaning of a covenant.
The claim it wasn't adopted is quite laughable when one looks at actions taken by HAMAS against all, not just Jewish people, but includes Christians and non-believers in the Islamic faith . Kidnapping people is not friendly either. They use it for extortion. It is a brutal act on its own.
"Nevertheless, as we have seen in Northern Ireland, South Africa and elsewhere, just because an organisation can be legitimately described as "supporting terrorism" that does not mean it cannot turn away from violence."
The situation South Africa cannot be compared to this and nor can Ireland. I add Rhodesia to this.
As a matter of fact the situation in South Africa has not changed and the minority of whites are still being attacked by the ANC (Marxist communist terrorists) from all sides. They have not relinquished violence, its just disguised under various veils. Here it is known as BBBEE and is a disguise for racism. They are using Legal Plunder. The Afrikaner in particular are being attacked, their history, culture is deliberately being destroyed as is their identity. It is retribution. Whites were lumped together as supporters of "Apartheid" a relabelling exercise by Marxists to ostracise a race. The Zionists origination is Lithuania.
Zionists are nothing more than neo-liberal communist Marxists simply put.
Thanks Jack. I actually cited the precise quotation from the covenant---and linked directly to it---that specifically threatens the obliteration of Israel. I have also cited some of the many statements from Hamas officials threatening the same.
I have also pointed out the violence of Hamas, its crimes against many people and in no way am I suggesting Hamas is an organisation worthy of anyone's respect. I am also aware of the ongoing violence against Afrikaners in SA.
However, as I also hope I've shown in the article Hamas officials have repeatedly said the coveneant is not an "absolute." I have cited some of the many Hamas statements and signed agreements that offer the potential of a two state solution.
May I suggest to you Jack that you can't insist the covenant is the start and the end of Hamas political objectives with regard to Israel if they have signed such documents as the 2002 Beirut Summit "normalisation" agreement that is based upon a two state solution.
Quite obviously this does not envisage the obliteration of Israel. It is contrary to the covenant and Hamas have acted with disregard to the obliteration aspect in the covenant on many occasions. Just as they have also threatened obliteration many times.
The whole point of the piece is to highlight that this raises the prospect of a negotiated settlement. The view that the covenant is the only political statement Hamas has ever made and that it is wedded exclusively to it is wrong in my view.
Davis, I like you don't believe everything that is stated or put out in the news.
Arafat & PLO was as evil as Hamas creation. The Islamist Jihadists were created to terrorise individual groups and nations.
Islam is anti all other religions and it is a curse. They the Hamassholes are jihadist Islamist gang mob of fanatics period. They have had many opportunities to make peace with the Israelis and have not.
Your utterances are so typical of an apologist stance for a terrorist group. I suggest you Ram it where a monkey hides his peanuts.
Excellent again as always Iain
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Aah, nice to see you on here.
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Sadly this reads like a grad-school essay—well written, lots of research and citations, but completely disconnected from real world experience or wisdom. You can’t argue a point from negation: just because you didn’t find definitive proof that your thesis is wrong doesn’t mean that it’s right.
Great article. Well researched. Well balanced. I learned a lot. You filled in a lot of gaps for me. Thank you.
Have you thought about sharing your article with Global Research here in Canada? They have a large readership as well.
Thanks Dave and Dianna, I appreciate the encouragement.
Global Research have published a number of my pieces and I know they are aware of my work. But no I don't usually offer each piece to them specifically. It would help me immensely if others did, so please feel free.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/author/iain-davis
Zionism and the establishment of the state of Israel has always been a political, UK empire project. The designation of it as a religious state is insincere but has proved politically useful for decades. Manipulate well intentioned American evangelicals and the political support for the billions sent is assured. Military and corporate prescence in the belly of the world is strategic and excusable. That the Jewish populations and their leaders, political or religious, allow themselves to be used in this way by the Anglo empire builder cabal should be sobering to the idealists of the world.
We live in a realpolitik world all the way down baby.
"Zionism and the establishment of the state of Israel has always been a political, UK empire project."
Actually, isn't it really a political U.S., UK, League of Nations project?
Important link here and account from commenter on this thread Mike Hampton. Thanks Mike.
https://mikehampton.substack.com/p/oct-7-hamas-tells-their-side-of-the
All this division and labelling! This article goes in to it in some detail but fundamentally, who is behind it and why?
I was listening to his Scott Horton's show before I came here, and was going to mention it in my newsletter. I noted that his guest said that the USA's $238bn weapon sales was bigger than their $175bn agriculture product exports last year. They're supplying arms to 75% of the world’s dictators, and 10 of the 12 countries that have the death penalty for gay people. Ultimately, these wars are about profit. That made me think that human conflict is just marketing.
Maybe there are powers within the US who use it as a war machine. Those powers might have given technology and manufacturing to countries in the eastern part of the globe as part of a shift of their power hub. Israel would be strategically important as data is the new oil.
Israel has long been strategically important. Their technology and data became a bonus.
Well, there's gas fields off coast of Gaza and BP had already been in negotiations with Israel years before, excluding Palestinians, of course. Every war is a bankster/investor war; pirates are still here! Prof Chossudoski's stack has more detail on this.
That's there, but its overblown. And there's the alternative to the Suez Canal, but that's long off. Weapons sale are the immediate concern.
Just watched a bit of BBC news this Sunday morning, talk on more overnight bombing in Yemen, being prepared for greater conflict, more arms, more recruits with possibility of conscription. They are sowing seeds for WW3.
I'm interested in how long Saudi Arabia will sit on the side of no opinion, and what Russia will do to take advantage. Iran will continue to be oblique. It's country knows what its like to lose a million people, so they will not directly poke. All the main players will be thinking of how to use this to undermine the West's 'moral' order.
My interest in geopolitics has transpired out of the plandemic, learning about history of allopathic medicine, Rockefeller, oil, etc. All the wheeling, dealing, renaging. Let's face it, the west is immoral.
I believe all powers are immoral, its a question of extent, but the US and UK are the only ones to wear that arrogance as fashion.
The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness." (Joseph Conrad)
Yes, that is why I posed the question.
"Furthermore, it is the birthright of every man" — "Or woman" — "Why don't you shut up about women, Stan. You're putting us off."
Exactly. The Divide and Rule mobsters hide their intentions behind all sorts of deflections. Iain himself credits the creation of Hamas by the West and aren't they know they also funded by Israel?
Israel cares so much for the Jews that they coerced their population to get the Pfizer clot shots and bragged that they gave the medical data to Pfizer.
I'm amazed that Israeli citizens still support the government that sold out their health and privacy.
Sectarian violence triggered by theological fanaticism is a surefire ploy used by Empires for thousands of years. The Palestine/Israeli slaughter is the latest iteration of ruling elite diabolism.
Fantastic piece Iain. However peace is not what the Hidden Hand wants so it will never happen. Each side is a pawn in the game. You must know this.
Best of luck to Iain and this spiritual leftist attempted noble savage/it's "the Zionists"/Israel/the west trope. Unfortunately for him that narrative/assertion is predated and completely debunked by Islam and its "mostly peaceful" "Prophet" by millennia explicitly advocating and carrying out mass murder of Jews and non Jews alike. Islamic texts are explicit, hence Islamic actions were but who needs to acknowledge those facts. Roger Waters types won't ever reach the conclusion that Islam just might be a bit "iffy". No, it is the evil imperial west/"Zionists"/Israel. Islamic imperialism, meh who cares. Islam and Muslims dindu nuffin bruv. 2+2=5. Because reasons.
British Creation and Control of Islamic Terror: Background to China’s Defeat of Terror in Xinjiang
[https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2020/eirv47n02-20200110/28-34_4702.pdf](https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2020/eirv47n02-20200110/28-34_4702.pdf)
Now do you understand why there are Palestinian protestors throughout college campuses and throughout the world?
It’s not about the creation of a Palestine nation, it’s about the creation of a One-World Global Empire.
Iain, I appreciate your Hamas article (and your substack in general), so I'm hoping you find my links complimentary and not marketing, with the caveat that I'm less diplomatic and university-ish than you. I especially want to highlight the legal argument of "hearing the other side" which requires us to know more about who 'we're' killing in the Middle East.
A.
'Oct 7: Hamas tells their side of the story' - https://mikehampton.substack.com/p/oct-7-hamas-tells-their-side-of-the
'The Hamas Charter' - https://mikehampton.substack.com/p/hamas-charter-constitution-ideology-flag-goals
B.
'Biden's bomb run and his fog of war words' - https://mikehampton.substack.com/p/bidens-bomb-run-and-his-fog-of-war-iraq-syria
'West bombs Yemen for 11th time in 22 days' - https://mikehampton.substack.com/p/west-bombs-yemen-for-11th-time-in-22-days
'American and Al Qaeda assassins in Yemen sponsored by the UAE (and the CIA)?' - https://mikehampton.substack.com/p/american-al-qaeda-uae-assassins-in-yemen
C.
'This is how the UN can bypass USA veto & bring Israel's killing of a 'nation' to justice' - https://mikehampton.substack.com/p/how-to-bypass-usa-veto-un-security-council-gaza
D.
And then, on a different note, because religion should come after human rights, there's 'The Cow God War in the Middle East' - https://mikehampton.substack.com/p/red-cow-god-war-middle-east-al-aqsa
Very well researched as usual and the only part I would question is the concept of ... regardless of self defence... the morality of right and wrong... et al. Resistance, all resistance in the context of fighting violent oppression and subjugation throughout history has carried the moral burden for actions carried out in the name of those enslaved. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist as the dualistic tenet always reiterates.
As long as this is not resolved, then never shall the twains will meet. All historical complexities can never reveal the whole truth because there are very few who can walk in the shoes of those who are demonised and rebuked for breathing the air allotted by any State that believes God is on their side. This has always been true as long as a monopoly of truth is coveted, but it is the oppressed and relinquished who garner the logic of self-defence.
If the Nazis had occupied the UK would we as people who vilify Nazi horrors be questioning attacks on military targets or would we admonish these infiltrations as terrorist gangs who don't know how good they really have it? The fact is no matter how abhorrent violence is it is still a state of war. Must we decry the 12000 French civilian deaths during the D day landings which De Gaulle was only too aware of prior to this event? In the name of humanity of course we must but the alternative is even worse.
At the moment Hamas is the only credible resistance to the occupation while Zionism is the dominant force propped up by lobbies all around the world with collaborators for genocide writing out the cheques.